Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany
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Considering what a crap cargo hauler it is, shouldn’t that be plenty?
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Which is doing a grave disservice to their investors, when (as in the case of Tesla) it is obvious that the board is corrupt.
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And yet quite a few assholes reading your comment - head-spinningly - will buy one.
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It depends. If you want the company to do well over 5-10 years, then you probably want to get involved. But any vote against the Board is going to cause a short-term dip, so if you're worried about the line going up over weeks or months then it's safer to leave things be and divest when you can. Let someone else clean up the mess and buy back in if things look like they're turning around.
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Personally, I wouldn't touch that brand until the taint from Musk AND his captive board of cronies has been scrubbed from it.
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Yes. If you hide it from them, they'll never be "woke."That's why we don't take the kids there.
Jeebus. Thanks for raising your hand.
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The real question is whether they take the kids to South Beach during Spring Break.
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SpaceX at least for launch is hard to substitute for (starlink sure) if you want your thing to actually fly…
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The clients of the products offered by the large institutional investment firms for which the firm (as opposed to the individual investor) holds the voting rights, though, tend to be holding those products in vehicles such as endowments and retirement accounts, which are generally held by the clients for very long periods of time. They are not short term traders, and therefore should be interested in the long-term health of the companies whose stocks are held in those funds. The brokerages which are offering the indexed mutual funds in my 401(k) are doing me a disservice when they refuse to use their proxy to vote against the corrupt corporate Board of Directors of a company held in one of their mutual funds, since I will be holding the stock shares within those funds for decades. Better a little pain early than a lot of pain later!
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The competition has more or less caught up and extreme alt right politics really don go down well with many environmentally aware consumers. Elon is rapidly making his cars unsellable to large proportions of the European public
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Oh FFS.
Should the French not buy Fiats because Julius Caesar conquered the Gauls?
I believe you are being disingenuous, but in case you are just hard of thinking, that was 80 years ago and Germany nor Volkswagen are run by Fascists at the moment. Unlike the US and Tesla now.
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As a native-born, Generation X, white American male, with young children, living in a blue state – Colorado – I hope that those of you who live in civilized countries choose to collectively INFLICT THE MOST MASSIVE DAMAGE ON THE UNITED STATES ECONOMY THAT YOU POSSIBLY CAN, during this calendar year.
- Try not to buy our agricultural, military or technology products, especially those from red states.
- Try not to visit here or go on vacations here, especially to red states.
- Don't buy our corporate stocks, or our government bonds, or crypto in general.
- Organize international protests against Trump, against Elon, against MAGA, so that all can hear and see.
- Create a new, intercontinental alliance of democracies, and don't allow the United States to join it.
- Deny Americans the freedom to visit your homelands.
Fuck what this country is rapidly devolving into. The proudly hateful and ignorant and stupid – as well as the rest of us who tolerated them – need to be excommunicated by the world's democracies. Damaging our economic prosperity and our self-image might bring some people around. What is happening here is so god-damned unbelievable that my rage seriously interfered with my ability to type up this message.
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No one is demanding you sell your vehicle. But you will be associated with Musk for as long as you drive it. If you care about that, then you'll probably want to get one of those stickers that tell people you bought it before. If you don't, that's fine too, but you're gonna get the negative attention. So long as you're dealing with the consequences of your choice, and not whining about it, I don't think anyone cares.
Like it or not, you don't drive a car, you drive a political statement. The car was intentionally made as such, that was a huge part of its marketing strategy, it's just that it used to be a political statement in support of the environment - and in support of Musk himself, and his "save the world" branding. But as Musk himself became explicitly political, the statement being made changed with him.
If you don't like where you find yourself, I recommend not buying a meme next time.
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China closely modelled their "communist" government on Stalin's version of communism (which isn't communism, but it is the accepted label for Stalinist style oligarchic dictatorship) Lenin did try state controlled communism, but the outcome was similar to Mao's Great Leap Forward which was also an attempt at something vaguely resembling Karl Marx's vision.
Hitler's Holocaust was inspired by the Armenian genocide. Russia had a lot of experience with internment death camps known as gulags, the Russian abbreviation for the government term. (Glavnoe Upravlenie Lagerei/Main Camp Administration). Created in 1921 by Lenin, they became very busy under Stalin. Use dropped after Stalin's death. The last was closed in 1987. Read "The Gulag Archipelago" by Alexander Solzhenitsyn to get some understanding of the joys of life in a Soviet internment camp.
US also has a wonderful history of how to do it right. American Indians have some horror stories that compete with Holocaust, Armenian Genocide & the Gulags ... Hailed as a success, the American genocide stretched over 200+ years. (It is now politically correct to say it was "not nice, not nice at all"), but very few are aware of how thoroughly evil official US government policy and actions were. It required an Act of Congress to allow American Indians who chose not to abandon their heritage and remaining land rights and integrate into white society US citizenship and the rights that go with it. Voting rights took a bit longer as state legislatures found many ways to rule that American Indians were not eligible to vote (they weren't alone. Many state legislatures are still trying to find ways to minimise non-white voting)
American blacks also have a couple of centuries of horror stories. Not as bad as it was a century ago, but US is still not a good place to be black.
Separately look up "Asian Exclusion Act" (1907), "Chinese Exclusion Act" (1882), "Asian Indian Exclusion Act" (1924), The Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 finally lifted these bans.
Compare the treatment of German Americans and German resident aliens during WWII to the treatment of Japanese Americans and Japanese resident aliens. The difference was again white privilege.
US is a role model in this field.
Thankfully, things have slowly been changing since the early 60s, but the time it is safe to forget the history and move on has not yet come.
None of this means we should take the pressure off China where they peacefully maintain their borders by first claiming sovereignty over territory they want, then move peacekeeping forces in to maintain order
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Of course not. But one of the best ways to hurt this disgusting regime is financially. So spare us your apathy, please.
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Not sure how he will ever not be associated with the brand. Even if he were to step down from official leadership duties, I'm sure he would continue to have a vested financial interest in the company unless it gets to a point it isn't worth saving.
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In the USA, they could sue their parents for the emotional damage caused by this advert.
AfD = Arschlöcher für Deutschland.
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There was a question in one of these forums about what type of person would work for Musk on DOGE. Now we have an answer.
DOGE Staffer Resigns After Racist Social Media Posts Exposed: Report
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And just to show how shameless this regime is:
Musk asks X if he should rehire DOGE staffer under fire for racist posts
Vance: Bring back DOGE staffer who resigned after racist posts surfaced
DOGE Staffer Resigns After Racist Social Media Posts Exposed: Report
Update.
And just to show how shameless this regime is:
Musk asks X if he should rehire DOGE staffer under fire for racist posts
Vance: Bring back DOGE staffer who resigned after racist posts surfaced
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If Tesla crashes and burns, sells off it's IP and a new company (run by reasonable people and building quality cars) arises from the flames, then that's likely to be only way to disassociate Musk from Tesla.
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You are basically describing North Korea. And while that treatment has definitely limiting the harm NK can do to the rest of the world, it has also ossified the power structures in that country, such that the same family has been in power for 3 or 4 generations, and it looks like they may be able to hold onto power indefinitely.
I, for one, do not relish the thought of 3 generations of Trumps in perpetual power in this country. That kind of isolation makes it easier for despots to hold on to power, because they only need to silence their domestic critics. The international critics don't have a platform in the country after they eliminate the free press (with our press already starting to give up preemptively, unfortunately).
Not saying that other nations shouldn't follow your advice, but the more isolated we are, the more erratic Trump can be, and the worse off he can make it for the rest of the world (invading Greenland, nuking china and Mexico).
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I just had the absolute business idea for BMW. For £2,000 or so make a “Tesla Upgrade kit” that changes a Tesla to look like a BMW. For £1,000 more they fix all the rubbish, make all the panels fit properly and so on.
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I particularly like the "I was racist before it was cool", because obviously now with white supremacists in charge, racism is now cool again...
This is essentially what MAGA is about. America was great when Racism was cool, so they are trying to make it cool again...
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Ah, I passed my test in 1987 and didn't know it had changed. Thnks for the info.
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We had been planning to get a Tesla for my wife, this year, after I just got a '23 Prius (Which I am ecstatically happy with) - My wife would not now accept a Tesla that was gifted, free of charge, with a 10 year bumper to bumper warranty and all optional "services" paid for.
Selling our souls was not worth the gas savings.
Selling our souls was not worth the gas savings.
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Kind of amazed that was sufficient for a resignation anymore. Who exactly felt embarrassed by it?
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I'm thinking that this guy was the tip of the iceberg, and that he was quietly slipped out the side door to avoid more scrutiny of the rest of the people who still work there.
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It isn't a fucking disease they can catch! Nice way to say you are a bigot...you're kids will know if they don't already.The Florida Keys has been and always WILL BE a haven for the lgbtqrst1234+-°¥§ community.
That's why we don't take the kids there. They can go on their own when they are 18.
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Also impose import tariffs on US made things and export tariffs on goods going to the US.
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I'm willing to bet that he could sell his Tesla and buy a used EV and probably be break even.
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ahh...so if they aren't perfect then they are horrible. Gotcha.
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